tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post4969263166893461592..comments2023-09-30T08:55:13.359-07:00Comments on Satyam Sivam Advaitam: Shiva Adhikhyam.http://www.blogger.com/profile/01017706759462665940noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-3661735315796162502011-05-16T01:40:51.005-07:002011-05-16T01:40:51.005-07:00@Vaishnavas,
Please stick to your vishnu bhakti. ...@Vaishnavas,<br /><br />Please stick to your vishnu bhakti. Don't talk nonsense on lord Shiva!<br /><br />Lord Dattatreya (A Vishnu incarnation) said:<br /><br />"IndraJaalamidam Sarvam Yatha Marumareechika<br />Akanditam Anaakaaram Vartate kevalah Sivah !!"<br /><br />means,<br />This entire universe is illusion as like as a mirage in a desert.<br />Beyond all differences, beyond all forms, truly, there is only Shiva alone!!<br /><br />So, there is None other than Shiva. Whichever God whom you see having 4 hands carrying discus, conch etc and you clal him narayana is none other than Shiva's expansions (one of the Pancha Brahma form).<br />Mahabharata clearly calls it out saying (bheeshma says), "Bhava assumes the forms of Brahma and Vishnu and chief of the celestials and Rudras".<br />It also says, "if Rudra be gratified with someone, he can confer upon one the status of Brahma and Vishnu with all the deities present under him".<br /><br />The Fact is:- Vishnu is as like a position as Indra. Only Shiva is the lord, supreme Brahman. he assumes the form of Vishnu for preservation. But finally everone merges back in him at the time of Supre-cosmic dissolution (not even Hari stays, he too merges back in Shiva).<br /><br />Can't you guys peacefully worship the Vishnu form of Shiva if that is your favourite? Why do you want the supremacy of Vishnu and then worship him? Kraishnavite says krishna is superior than Vishnu, and Shiva. Ramavat Sampradaya follower says Rama is superior than Vishnu, krishna and Shiva. What is this nonsence? How can Vishnu's incarnatiosn become superior than Vishnu himself (leave about Shiva). This is the disease which your cults are spreading. Worship your lord with faith but don't pass on false propaganda about Shiva/Vishnu.<br />Ultimately Advaita is the FINAL truth it's the AXIOM!!...You are worshipping Shiva only (thru Vishnu).ṣāṇmāturaḥ (षाण्मातुरः)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00593473763893225230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-82386592039179373322010-06-20T02:40:58.088-07:002010-06-20T02:40:58.088-07:00Dear
Mr. Jefferson,
Firstly one must realize who ...Dear <br />Mr. Jefferson,<br />Firstly one must realize who Sankara was and what his purpose of incarnation was!! <br />Sankara was a “part” incarnation of Lord Siva, and why did he incarnate???<br />To console and to uphold the truth...which the religious riots like Vaishnava and Buddhists were tearing apart, He took up the request of incarnating as Adi Sankara at the request of all the gods, as it was impossible even for Vishnu to uphold the Advaitha Vedanta<br />Why Because Advaitha is synonym with Siva!! And Lord Siva knows he is one without the second, just like Lord Siva created Maha Kala Bhairava from his matted hair, also created Adi Shankara who was born to Aryamba. Having incarnated as Adi Shankara!! who sung Baja Govindam which was one of the many hymns composed by Shankara ,why did he compose so many hymns ?? because to create as many paths as possible ,,to inspire people, because he knew people like you will not realize the supreme Lord and he made easy by showing you the Vishnu way in Baja Govindam!!!!! And Hymns to other Dieties as well ,and all paths lead to Siva(Bliss) so baja govindam is the Vishnu path to get to Bliss (Siva) !! Now if I ask you why didn’t Sankara say Narayanoham or Vishnoham in the Nirvana astakam does it make sense?????<br />Sankara said the final verse that a fully realized soul says, at the time he was searching for a guru in the Himalayas, even before he started his hymn compositions, Sankara knew everything is Siva which is why he said Sivoham (I am Siva) and not Narayanoham or Vishnoham !! <br />Remember to Adi Sankara the Almighty is Parameswara ,even if Sankara calls Vishnu the Brahman ,Vishnu’s god is Siva ,let Vishnu be the Supreme but his Lord is Siva why ??? Read and comprehend Sivanandalahari, Soundarya Lahari, and Vishwanathaastakam!! And many more Hymns of Sankara!! You cannot expect Sankara to be Partial, knowing the supreme to be Siva, he still sung hymns to Vishnu and others why?? Because the greatness of Vishnu or other gods is due to Siva only!!Read and understand Kena Upanishad part 3!!!Karthik K.Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050574020702300837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-45398303706110826112010-06-18T06:01:03.008-07:002010-06-18T06:01:03.008-07:00Dear Mr Jefferson,
I think it would be better to...Dear Mr Jefferson, <br /><br />I think it would be better to clarify you a few points. <br /><br />1) The old man using Grammar jugglery was surely a vaishnava. In spite of being in Kashi he never surrendered to Lord Vishwanatha and wasted all his life by doing grammar jugglery. So Adi Shankara was shocked to see his attitude and sang "Bhaja Govindam". <br /><br />2) For Adi Shankara it doesn't matter whether you say Bhaja Govindam or Bhaja Shiva. He said Govindam just because it would be attractive for materialist vaishnavas. Adi shankara established his Shiva Bhakti in Shivananda Lahari. In it he says :<br /><br />Sahasram varthanthe jagathi vibhutha kshudra phalada<br />Na manye swapne vaa thadanusaranam that krutha phalam<br />Hari brahmadeenamapi nikata bhaja masulabham<br />Chiram yache shambho shiva thava padombhoja bhajanam<br /><br />"Thousands of Gods abound, Offering trifling gifts to them who pray,And never even in my dreams would I pray Or request gifts from them.<br />To Shiva who is worshiped by Hari , Brahma and other Gods,But who is difficult even for them to near, I would beseech and beg always, For his lotus like feet."<br /><br /><br />3) The Supreme nature of Shiva is established by Vedas themselves. I don't know shaiva puranas. I rely upon Vedas and Upanishads only. For the sake of vaishavas like you, i occasionally quote from Vaishnava texts to show superiority of Shiva. I believe in Shruti. I take Smriti so long as it subordinates to Shruti. Otherwise, i don't take them into consideration. Your quote from skanda purana itself is an answer to your question. The quote clearly says "Shaiva Shastras are also very much authentic for Yogis". It did not say that Shaiva texts are subbordinate to vaishnava texts. You have been fooled by Iskconites. The interpolated verses in Padma purana are not authentic. Only Shruti is authentic. By the way, Skanda Purana is NOT a Shaiva Purana. It is a mixture/ residual of all puranas. It contains various divisions each division deals with specific God like Vishnu,Shiva,Skanda..etc. Each division is under the control of respective religious sect. So all these sects interpolated their own verses. Skanda purna is accepted by Shaivates so long as it adhers to Shaiva puranas. <br /><br /><br />4) In shaivsm, Vishnu is a greatest devotee of Lord Shiva. Nowhere do we blaspheme Lord Vishnu. Lord Rama is an emboiment of Vishnu, who worshiped Lord Shiva . To this day you can see the Shiva lingas established and worshiped by Rama. Hanuman was born by the grace of Lord Shiva. Both Hanuman and his master Rama worshiped Lord Shiva with firm devotion. Hanuman surrenderd to Rama who in turn himself surrendered to Lord Shiva. <br /><br />Arjuna and Krishna both surrendered to Lord Shiva. You need to read my other blog posts to know more about the devotion of Lord Krishna to his master supreme Lord Shiva. <br /><br /><br />Let Vaishnavas realize that Lord Shiva is Supreme Brahman. There is no second to him. He himself is devotion-devotee-deity. The union of the triad is called Shiva. That's why shivamahimna Stotra says;<br /><br />trayī sāṃkhyaṃ yogaḥ paśupatimataṃ vaiṣṇavam iti<br />prabhinne prasthāne param idam adaḥ pathyam iti ca<br />rucīnāṃ vaicitryād ṛjukuṭilanānāpathajuṣāṃ<br />nṛṇām eko gamyas tvam asi payasām arṇava iva Smst_7<br /><br />There are different paths of realization as enjoined by the three Vedas, Sānkhyā, Yoga and Pāśupata doctrine and Vaishnava śāstras . Persons following different paths straight or crooked according as they consider that this path is best or that one is proper due to the difference in temperaments, reach You alone O Shiva, just as rivers enter the ocean..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01017706759462665940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-31597112060511795542010-06-17T14:28:20.737-07:002010-06-17T14:28:20.737-07:00I would like to cite here that when adi shankara s...I would like to cite here that when adi shankara sung bhaja govindam the teacher of gramar was only an old man <br />1.Nowere it is stated that he was a vaishnava.<br />2. if we analise the bhaja govindam adi shankara told the man to worship Shri Kirshna who is govindam. if shiva was adi shankara's worshippale lord and the supreme God he would have said, Bhaja Shivam.<br />3. the puranas where split in the 3 modes by none else than Veda Vyas so blaspheming him is apharada. this is confirmed in the padma purana.<br />In the skanda purana (not a vaishnavite puran) it is said: <br />siva sastre 'pi tad graahyana bhagavat sastra yogi yat iti.<br /><br />Statements in the Saivite Puranas should not be accepted unless they are corroborated by the Vaisnava Puranas. This is confirmed in the Saivite Puranas (Skanda Purana) where Lord Siva says to Kartikeya:<br />"Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas."<br /><br />4. Lord Shiva is considered by vaishnavas as the greatest vaishnava nowhere do we blaspheme lord Shiva. Hanuman the embodiment of Shiva himself worshipped only shri Rama. and to this day is still doing it. if Shiva was the supreme God he would worship him. the same for arjuna who worshipped shiva but still considered Krishna the supreme personality of God.<br /><br />Skandha Purana<br />"Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas." let the Saivites seek this in the skanda purana and open their eyes to the truth that lord shiva is very powerfull, the master of tamo guna. but is not the independed supreme GodUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08970625056619511734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-88763958338278060362010-06-17T14:28:20.738-07:002010-06-17T14:28:20.738-07:00I would like to cite here that when adi shankara s...I would like to cite here that when adi shankara sung bhaja govindam the teacher of gramar was only an old man <br />1.Nowere it is stated that he was a vaishnava.<br />2. if we analise the bhaja govindam adi shankara told the man to worship Shri Kirshna who is govindam. if shiva was adi shankara's worshippale lord and the supreme God he would have said, Bhaja Shivam.<br />3. the puranas where split in the 3 modes by none else than Veda Vyas so blaspheming him is apharada. this is confirmed in the padma purana.<br />In the skanda purana (not a vaishnavite puran) it is said: <br />siva sastre 'pi tad graahyana bhagavat sastra yogi yat iti.<br /><br />Statements in the Saivite Puranas should not be accepted unless they are corroborated by the Vaisnava Puranas. This is confirmed in the Saivite Puranas (Skanda Purana) where Lord Siva says to Kartikeya:<br />"Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas."<br /><br />4. Lord Shiva is considered by vaishnavas as the greatest vaishnava nowhere do we blaspheme lord Shiva. Hanuman the embodiment of Shiva himself worshipped only shri Rama. and to this day is still doing it. if Shiva was the supreme God he would worship him. the same for arjuna who worshipped shiva but still considered Krishna the supreme personality of God.<br /><br />Skandha Purana<br />"Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas." let the Saivites seek this in the skanda purana and open their eyes to the truth that lord shiva is very powerfull, the master of tamo guna. but is not the independed supreme GodUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08970625056619511734noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-56439386933845395852010-05-25T22:42:42.186-07:002010-05-25T22:42:42.186-07:00From time immemorial these vaisnavas stood for cri...From time immemorial these vaisnavas stood for criticizing Lord Shiva and his worshipers ,calling them various things,we've know Appaya Dikshitar who was a victim of it,basavanna a vira Saiva saint was a victim,Devara Dasimaya a Vacana poet was a victim,a lot more.... today the guy who wrote this blog and I and many more are the victims of Iskon ,i feel so bad today to Shaiva's who have completely disappeared ,you can hardly find people who have ardent devotion to Lord shiva Thanks to Vaisnavas and their wide spread disease of hatred towards Lord Siva and his worshippers.May Lord Vishnu take all these Vaisnava Acharyas and give them a place in Vaikunta Loka for what they did!!! before they could turn India into a Vaisnava country!!! anyway they've captured Buddhism calling Buddha an incarnation of Vishnu,what is left but Jain,Christianity and Islam which I am sure they will some how ,by Manipulating the ancient texts bring about this relationship and prove Vishnu as their God head wait and watch.Karthik K.Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050574020702300837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-6911222817636989572010-04-29T22:58:16.072-07:002010-04-29T22:58:16.072-07:00i have explained the creation please look into it....i have explained the creation please look into it... a must before you get anywhereKarthik K.Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050574020702300837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-22846368527902403482010-04-11T08:02:25.421-07:002010-04-11T08:02:25.421-07:00Great Great Great blog and wonderful quotations.I ...Great Great Great blog and wonderful quotations.I am thankful to the persons involved in creation and maintenence of this great website/blog.Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are same.Where Lord Shiva has been shown as the one who respects Lord Vishnu,at the other hand Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna has been shown to worship/tapasya of Lord Shiva and getting boons from Him,in the Shastras.That doesn't degrade neither Lord Shiva nor Lord Vishnu.There is no difference between them And this website is a very good and cool answer to the idiots and ISKCONites who propagate that Lord Vishnu is the 'only' supreme Lord.It's blatant lie.Lord Shiva is also supreme.As equal as Lord Vishnu.Your blog has proved with so many proofs from the shastras which prove invariably that Lord Shiva is the supreme Para Brahman.independent and omnipresent.Thanks thanks Thanks.<br /><br />Great Work.sagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17431675130981605774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-34231048586502518552010-01-11T09:26:30.477-08:002010-01-11T09:26:30.477-08:00TO
Maruthi who posted his comment on December 31,...TO<br /><br />Maruthi who posted his comment on December 31, 2009 12:10 PM <br /><br /><br />How can your ignorance be called my ignorance ? i think you are a kind of guy inspired by a vaishnava acharya. You've quoted some verses from bhagavatam to show that shiva worshiped vishnu. Fine. So what ? does that make shiva inferior to vishnu ? You people should understand that shiva puranas glorify Shiva , similarly Vaishnava , shakteya, Soura,Ganapathya, and koumara puranas glorify Vishnu, shakti, Surya, Vinayaka and Subrahmanya respectively. everyone has equal right to follow his faith without hurting others. Just like abrahamic religions, the Vaishnavas instead of following their faith they preach hatred towards other faiths of hindu thought. <br /><br />You wrote" I don't have problems with Lord Shiva being the Supreme, Vishnu is Shiva - Pls produce all passages of Bhagavatam then - where Lord Shiva is shown again and again worshipping and falling at the feet of Supreme Lord."<br /><br />huh.. if you feel that shiva and vishnu are one and the same i've no issues with you. but a wicked vaishnava will not accept it. I don't have any problem with vaishnavas if they worship Vishnu. but in the name of worshiping vishnu they indulge in bashing of Lord shiva. They speak utter nonsense just like you did. The very objective of the post is to address them. <br /><br />Do you know what the vaishnava acharyas speak in their discourses about lord Shiva ? Just go through the blog http://isk-conning.blogspot.com . <br /><br />Some sample statements made by Vaishnavas in their speeches <br /><br />1) Shiva worshipers can not get liberation<br /><br />2 Shiva worshipers are ignorants<br /><br />3) Shiva is a cheater.<br /><br />4) All other faiths of hinduism except vaishnavism leads to darkness. <br /><br />5) the shiva worshipers can get material benifits but not spiritual.<br /><br />6) Worshiping lord shiva as 'supreme being' is an ultimate offense to lord Vishnu. <br /><br />If i call the Vaishnava Acharyas who made such statements as "Wicked", you are calling me as <br />"ignorant". Perhaps you are a "Vaishnava"..https://www.blogger.com/profile/01017706759462665940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-39218777211883520852010-01-05T15:35:04.519-08:002010-01-05T15:35:04.519-08:00Most of the Vaishnava Aacharya's are CHUTE'...Most of the Vaishnava Aacharya's are CHUTE'S except Tulasidas, this Vaishnava's havent learnt their lessons yet,even lord visnu will not accept them for what they are, they are incurred to the most unpardonable sin in the universe by speaking ill about lord shiva<br />Shiva Mahapurana clearly states that the most un pardonable sin in the universe is accusing the Supreme lord shiva!!!!!!Karthik K.Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050574020702300837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-29753416219883699502010-01-05T15:29:29.518-08:002010-01-05T15:29:29.518-08:00Dude your all perfect Lord shiva is the supreme
i...Dude your all perfect Lord shiva is the supreme <br />i totally agree with youKarthik K.Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050574020702300837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-53378305573522650822009-12-31T12:10:03.591-08:002009-12-31T12:10:03.591-08:00SB 4.7.22: As soon as Lord Viṣṇu was visible, al...SB 4.7.22: As soon as Lord Viṣṇu was visible, all the demigods — Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva, the Gandharvas and all present there — immediately offered their respectful obeisances by falling down straight before Him.<br /><br />SB 4.7.29: Lord Śiva said: My dear Lord, my mind and consciousness are always fixed on Your lotus feet, which, as the source of all benediction and the fulfillment of all desires, are worshiped by all liberated great sages because Your lotus feet are worthy of worship. With my mind fixed on Your lotus feet, I am no longer disturbed by persons who blaspheme me, claiming that my activities are not purified. I do not mind their accusations, and I excuse them out of compassion, just as You exhibit compassion toward all living entities.<br /><br />I don't have problems with Lord Shiva being the Supreme, Vishnu is Shiva - Pls produce all passages of Bhagavatam then - where Lord Shiva is shown again and again worshipping and falling at the feet of Supreme Lord.<br /><br />Calling Vaishnava Aacharya's as wicked shows your ignorance. You worship Shiva and be satisfied. If a Vaishnava Aacharya praises Sri Hari - Let it be so. Who stops you from praising your Lord. Leave it like thatUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12083562491630705444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7844766708926907849.post-48025862254243640402009-05-08T22:28:00.000-07:002009-05-08T22:28:00.000-07:00GREAT EXPLANATION dude ! Hats-off! :)
Thanks,
Ka...GREAT EXPLANATION dude ! Hats-off! :)<br /><br />Thanks,<br /> KarthikKarthikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15991433254665734990noreply@blogger.com