Tuesday, February 3, 2009

Shiva Adhikhyam

Essential Characteristics of supreme lord :

1) He should be source of all, protecter of all and destroyer as well.
2) He should ever possess the strength of godhead.
3) He should be the father of the universe
4) He should be the lord of all beings.
5) He should be blissful and undecaying.
6) He should pervade all things and all beings both in heavens and in earth ,through his lordship
7) None should overcome him.
8) He should be the 'mightest' of the mighty. ( not just simply powerful )
9) He should be the sovereign of entire universe.
10)He should have multiple forms. ( ie., forms of god)
11) He should be the heart of all gods(ie., all gods are just part and parcle of him only )
12 ) He should alone yieldth to no second.
13) He should be able to give liberation (moksha) from death cycle and grant immortality.

Now Let us analyze,as per vedas, whether lord Rudra Possess such qualities.

Rudra is the supreme manifested form of absolute Brahman/parama purusha ( Sivam ). Rudra himself manifests as different Gods like Soma,Agni,Vayu.Indra,Prajapati,Visnu,Maruts,Yama etc. All these gods are different aspects of Lord Rudra.

"Rudra by day, Rudra at night we honour with these our songs, the UNIVERSE'S FATHER. HIM GREAT AND LOFTY, BLISSFUL, imperishable(ACHYUTAM), LET US CALL SPECIALLY AS THE SAGE IMPELS US". ( Rigveda 6:49:10 )


"To Rudra bring these songs, whose bow is firm and strong, the SELF-DEPENDENT GOD with swiftly-flying shafts, The Wise, the Conqueror whom none may overcome, armed with sharp-pointed weapons: may he hear our call. " ( Rigveda 7 :46: 1 )

"He(Rudra) through his lordship pervades in all things and beings on the earth, on heavenly beings through his high imperial power." ( Rig veda 7:46:2 )


We Worship Tryambaka(shiva), Who spreads Fragrance and Increases nourishment, May He LIBERATE (moksha) us, like the cucumber from its stem, from Mortal life, and give us Immorality.( Rig veda 7 :59 :12 )


LORD OF ALL BEINGS ART THOU IN GLORY, Rudra, armed with the thunder, MIGHTIEST OF THE MIGHTY. Transport us over trouble to well-being repel thou from us all assaults of mischief. ( Rig veda 2:33:3 )


"With firm limbs, MULTIFORM, the strong, the tawny adorns himself with bright gold decorations: THE STRENGTH OF GODHEAD NEVER DEPARTS FROM RUDRA, HIM WHO IS SOVEREIGN OF THE UNIVERSE, THE MIGHTY. "( RigVeda 2:33:9 )


Homage to him who haunteth the mountains, and to him who is in form of Çipivista.(visnu) ( Yajurveda iv. 5.5 f )

Homage to you(rudra) who is sparkling hearts of the gods ( Yajurveda iv. 5. 9 p )


The Rudra in the fire, in the waters, in the plants, the Rudra that hath entered all beings, to that Rudra be homage ( Yajurveda v. 5. 9. i )


Soma ( sa + uma ) ie., Along with Uma. :

This form of rudra is benificient or sattwa in nature. The form of soma is 'divine knowledge.' which satisfies the spiritual quest of all. hence it is identified with "Rasa or liquid". obviously, Gods like indra,visnu etc have more thirst for soma. infact, they are born out of soma only.Soma (Sa-Uma) is the father of heaven, earth, Vishnu, and Indra. Soma is the seed prolific for birth of Adityas and Vishnu. He is the highest heaven where Vak resides.

"Father of sacred chants, Soma flows onwards, the Father of the Earth, Father of the Celestial region: Father of Agni, the creator of Surya, the Father who gave birth to Indra and Vishnu" (Rig Veda.IX.96.5)
NOTE : SOMA ( an aspect of Rudra ) IS THE FATHER WHO BEGET INDRA, AGNI,SURYA AND VISHNU

" [O Soma!]Father and generator of the gods, the skillful, the Pillar of the Heavens (ie. Linga), and supporter of Earth. Rishi and Illuminated Sage, greatest of people, apart and wise, Ushana (Shukracharya) in knowledge" (Rig Veda .IX.87.2-3)
NOTE: SOMA IS THE FATHER OF GODS AND SUPPORTER OF HEAVENS AND EARTH.

Rig veda 1 : HYMN CLXIV. Visvedevas.
34 I ask thee of the earth's extremest limit, where is the centre of the world, I ask thee. I ask thee of the Stallion's seed prolific, I ask of highest heaven where Speech abideth.

35 This altar is the earth's extremest limit; this sacrifice of ours is the world's centre.THE STALLION'S SEED PROLIFIC IS THE SOMA; THIS BRAHMAN HIGHEST HEAVEN WHERE
SPEECH ABIDETH
.


Is visnu really supreme ?

Generally, Many arrogant Vishnavites bash Lord Rudra as demigod and worshiper of vishnu. They are very arrogant while dealing with advaitins or shaivates. They often cite stories from vaishnava puranas to prove vishnu's superiority. When shaivates try to claim shiva's superior position from shaiva puranas, they simply mock shaivates by ignoring shaiva puranas as "Tamasic". In the disguise of "Bhaktas" or "Dasas" , those hypocrite vaishnavites often hurt the hearts of Shiva bhaktas by talking nonsense about lord Shiva. They claim superiority just because they are 'vaishnavites'. They usually spend most of their time in belittling Lord shiva and his devotees. They are often in the delusion that they are "The Best". They mock shiva bhaktas as "Tamasic". They often humiliate shiva bhaktas as material mongers. They strongly believe that shiva bhaktas cannot be liberated at all unless they take visnu's refuge. Their hearts may not fill with delight when they hear the name of "vishnu/krsna" but, certainly, they whole heartedly enjoy shiva ninda(abuse) . If someone bashes Lord Shiva then that person is surely a vaishnava. Even atheists may not bash harshly as vaishnavites abuse lord Siva. A Shiva bhakta will not bother much even if an atheist questions the existance of lord. But those hypocrite vaishnavas, who are behaving like demons of kali yuga, accepts the existance of Siva but they belittle the status of shiva to such an extent that it almost breaks the heart of shiva bhaktas. They resolve to cheap tactics like calling shiva as Gatekeeper,servent, an evil , ghost, full of tamas, brainless , ignorant, Coward etc without understanding the true nature of Lord Shiva. The Vaishnava Acharyas intentionally hide the true nature of Lord shiva in order to satisfy their EGO. They use their grammer jugglery to belittle Shiva. Of couse, Truths can never be hided for a long lime. Perhaps, Sankaracharya might have visualized these wicked Vaishnavas and for their sake, he has written "Bhaja Govindam".

"BhajaGovindam,BhajaGovindam Govindam Bhaja Moodahmathe. ...."

O Wicked Vaishnava fools, worship Govinda ... These grammer jugglery which are used by you to belittle Lord Shiva will not help you in any way at the time of death..... if you are interested in vishnu then worship vishnu why are you wasting time with grammer rules to belittle shiva.......

Unlike those wicked vaishnavas,Most of the shaivates cannot counter their attacks by belittling Vishnu. But some vaishnavites,who are replacing the role of demons in kaliyuga, always resolve to cheap tricks. As most Shivates are advaitins, they are not interested in bashing vishnu. Hence, They accept Hari and Hara as peers or same reality with two different names and forms. Without understanding the "The principle of Absolute Truth" the wicked vaishnavas show their inborn demonic nature by bashing Shaivates
.

But, as per vedas, even vishnu cannot be the ultimate god.

Please see this verses.

When Visnu, through thine (indra's) energy, strode wide those three great steps of his, Then thy two beautiful Bay Steeds carried thee on. ( Rigveda 8:12:27)

Comment: if vishnu is supreme what is the need for him to use Indra's energy ?

Visnu, Varuna, Mitra sing thy (indra's) praise: In thee the Maruts' company have great delight. (Rigveda 8:15:9)

Comment: if vishnu is supreme lord, what is the need for him to to sing Indra's praise ??

This majesty of his, Visnu extols and lauds, making the stalk that gives the meath flow forth with might ( Rigveda 10:113:2 )

Comment: why does vishnu always Extols and lauds Indra's majestic glory .

"Step forth with wider stride, my comrade Visnu; make room, Dyaus, for the leaping of the lightning.Let us slay Vrtra, let us free the rivers let them flow loosed at the command of Indra" (Rigveda 8:89:12)

Comment : why did vishnu work at the command of indra ? can Indra dare to command his boss ?

Yajur Veda iv. 4. 9.
(Thou art) ---------- Visnu when being taken down; ---------- Vayu when covered up; the gazer on men when revealed;

YajurVeda vi. 5. 6.------ The gods kept Rudra away from the sacrifice [2], he followed the Adityas; they took refuge in the creatures for two deities,

Comment : Because of fear of Rudra, Adityas flee and took refuge in the creatures. !! . This may be Daksha Yagna story. Do vaishnavites have right to comment shiva regarding Basmasura's story ?

RV Book 10 HYMN XCII. Visvedevas.

9 With humble adoration show this day your song of praise to mighty Rudra, Ruler of the brave: With whom, the Eager Ones, going their ordered course, he comes from heaven Self-bright, auspicious, strong to guard.

11 For these songs, the Earth and Heaven with their abundant seed, four-bodied Narasmsa, Yama, Aditi, God Tvastar Wealth-bestower, the Rbhuksanas, Rodasi, Maruts, Visnu, claim and merit praise.


Why does the supreme god of Vaishnavas sings praise of indra. works at the command of indra ?

it may be because Indra is superior to him. In Rigveda, Indra represents the "RULER" aspect of shiva. but in later periods, the status of indra has been reduced. but, in Rigveda, Indra represents the "Lordship" aspect of lord Shiva .

Even, In Rig Veda, the term śiva is used to refer to Indra. (2.20.3, 6.45.17, and 8.93.3.)

Hence, superiority of vishnu is not free from doubt.

Often vaishnavites quote a verse from Aithareya brahmana (1:1:1)

"Agnir vai devAnAm avamo Visnuh paramas, tadantarena sarvA anyA devatA"

meaning: Agni is the lowest among devatas and Visnu is the highest. All other devatas occupy positions inbetween.


But, it doesn't represent the hierarchy, it is about Bhagawan Rudra's Weapons.

Lord Rudra possess all the required characteristics of supreme godhead.

Superiority of shiva from Bhagavata purana:

" O Lord siva , Those devotees who have fully dedicated their lives unto your lotus feet will certainly recognise as Paramātmā in each and every being, and as such they do not differentiate between one living being and another. Such persons treat all living entities equally. They never become overwhelmed by anger like animals, who can see nothing without differentiation ". ( Srimad bhagavatam 4:6:46 )

"O most auspicious lord, you have ordained the heavenly planets, the spiritual Vaikunthha planets and the impersonal Brahman sphere as the respective destinations of the performers of auspicious activities. Similarly, for others, who are miscreants, you have destined different kinds of hells which are horrible and ghastly. Yet sometimes it is found that their destinations are just the opposite. It is very difficult to ascertain the cause of this" ( Srimad bhagavatam 4:6:45)

"O Bhagavan shiva , you create this cosmic manifestation, maintain it, and annihilate it by expansion of your personality, exactly as a spider creates, maintains and winds up its web." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 4:6:43 )

"Lord Brahmā said: O supreme lord Śiva, I know that you are the controller of the entire material manifestation, the combination father and mother of the cosmic manifestation, and the Supreme Brahman beyond the cosmic manifestation as well. I know you in that way" ( srimad Bhagavatam 4:6:42 )

"O King, when that uncontrollable poison was forcefully spreading up and down in all directions, all the demigods, along with the Lord Hari Himself, approached Supreme Lord Śiva [Sadāśiva]. Feeling unsheltered and very much afraid, they sought shelter of him. ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:19)

"The demigods Headed by Lord Sri Hari observed Supreme Lord S'iva sitting on the summit of Kailâsa Hill with his wife, Bhavânî, for the auspicious development of the three worlds. He was being worshiped by great saintly persons desiring liberation. The demigods offered him their obeisances and prayers with great respect" ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:20 )

"The prajâpatis said: O God of all gods (Deva deva), Mahâdeva, Supereme soul of all living entities and cause of their happiness and prosperity, we have come to the shelter of your lotus feet. Now please save us from this fiery poison, which is spreading all over the three worlds." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:21)

"O lord, you alone are the cause of bondage and liberation of the entire worlds( sarva jagat) because you are alone its ruler (tvam ekaḥ sarva-jagataīśvaro ). Those who are advanced in spiritual consciousness surrender unto you, and therefore you are the cause of mitigating their distresses, and you are alone the cause of their liberation. We therefore worship Your Lordship." (Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:22)

"O lord Shiva, you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this material world by your personal energy, and you assume the names Brahmā, Viṣṇu and Maheśvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:23 )

" O Lord Shiva, You are the cause of all causes, the self-effulgent, inconceivable, and you are alone that Secret Para Brahman (tvaḿ brahma paramaḿ guhyaḿ ). You manifest various potencies in this cosmic manifestation. You are the Supreme soul and supreme personality of godhead (tvam ātmā jagad-īśvaraḥ) " ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:24 )

tvaḿ śabda-yonir jagad-ādir ātmā prāṇendriya-dravya-guṇaḥ svabhāvaḥkālaḥ kratuḥ satyam ṛtaḿ ca dharmastvayy akṣaraḿ yat tri-vṛd-āmananti ( SB 8:7:25 )

"O lord Shiva, you are the original source of Vedic literature. You are the original cause of entire creation, the life force, the senses, the five elements, the three modes and the mahat-tattva. You are eternal time, determination and the two religious systems called truth [satya] and truthfulness [ṛta]. You are the shelter of the syllable oḿ, which consists of three letters a-u-m." ( Srimad Bhagavatam 8:7:25 )

"O Shiva, father of all planets, learned scholars know that fire is your mouth, the surface of the globe is your lotus feet, eternal time is your movement, all the directions are your ears, and Varuṇa, master of the waters, is your tongue." ( SB 8:7:26 )

O lord, the sky is your navel, the air is your breathing, the sun is your eyes, and the water is your semen. You are the shelter of all kinds of living entities, high and low. The god of the moon is your mind, and the upper planetary system is your head ( SB 8:7:27)

"O lord shiva, you are the three Vedas personified. The seven seas are your abdomen, and the mountains are your bones. All drugs, creepers and vegetables are the hairs on your body, the Vedic mantras like Gâyatrî are the seven layers of your body, and the Vedic religious system is the core of your heart" ( SB 8:7:28)

"O lord, the Vedas are represented by your five faces, from which the thirty-eight most celebrated Vedic mantras have been generated. Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Śiva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the supreme truth, known as Paramātmā." (SB 8:7:29)

O lord, your shadow is seen in irreligion, which brings about varieties of irreligious creations. The three modes of nature - goodness, passion and ignorance - are your three eyes. All the Vedic literatures, which are full of verses, are emanations from you because their compilers wrote the various scriptures after receiving your glance ( SB 8:7:30 )

O Lord Girîsha, since the You are Brahman which is transcendental to the material modes of goodness, passion and ignorance, the various directors of this material world certainly cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is not understandable even to Lord Brahmâ, Lord Vishnu or the King of heaven, Mahendra ( SB 8:7:31)

"When annihilation is performed by the flames and sparks emanating from your eyes, the entire creation is burned to ashes. . What then is to be said of your destroying the Dakṣa-yajña, Tripurāsura and the kālagara ? Such activities cannot be subject matters for prayers offered to you. because, We all do not know how this happens " ( SB 8:7:32)

"Exalted, self-satisfied persons who preach to the entire world think of your lotus feet constantly within their hearts. However, when persons who do not know your austerity see you moving with Umā, they misunderstand you to be lusty, or when they see you wandering in the crematorium they mistakenly think that you are ferocious and envious. Certainly they are shameless. They cannot understand your Supreme Trascedental Reality". ( SB 8:7:33)

"Even personalities like Lord Brahmâ and other demigods cannot understand your position, for you are beyond the Truth (sat) and unTruth(Asat) (sad-asatoḥ parataḥ). Since no one can understand your actual nature (nāñjaḥ svarūpa-gamane). how can one offer you prayers? It is impossible. As far as we are concerned, we are creatures of Lord Brahmâ's creation. Under the circumstances, therefore, we cannot offer you adequate prayers, but as far as our ability allows we have expressed our feelings." (SB 8:7:34)

"O Supreme Ordinator ( maheśvara) , your actual identity is impossible for us to understand.(etat paraḿ prapaśyāmo na ) As far as we can see, your presence brings flourishing happiness to everyone. But your transcedental nature is unknown (avyakta-karmaṇaḥ) ( SB 8:7:35)

in spite of Bhagavatam repeatedly glorifying lord shiva as 'parabrahman' , the Wicked vaishnava Acharyas who are governed by 'EGO' refuses to accept Shiva as supreme lord. They resort to cheap tactics and shout ........ "it won't apply to shiva" , " it refers to antaryami vishnu who is in shiva"... etc..etc. But such evil remarks can never hide the truth.

Those Wicked Vaishnava fools who spit venom should keep their mouth shut.

They should follow what Naradha said in Narada pancharatra.

Narad Pancharatra:

"Shivo Harirhariha Shakshatchiva Eva Nirupitaha

Shivadveshi Haridrohi Vishnum Nityam Bhajanapi"

Meaning:

‘Shiva is Hari and Hari is none other than Shiva. An enemy of Shiva is an enemy of Hari, even though he may daily worship Vishnu.’

13 comments:

  1. GREAT EXPLANATION dude ! Hats-off! :)

    Thanks,
    Karthik

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  2. SB 4.7.22: As soon as Lord Viṣṇu was visible, all the demigods — Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva, the Gandharvas and all present there — immediately offered their respectful obeisances by falling down straight before Him.

    SB 4.7.29: Lord Śiva said: My dear Lord, my mind and consciousness are always fixed on Your lotus feet, which, as the source of all benediction and the fulfillment of all desires, are worshiped by all liberated great sages because Your lotus feet are worthy of worship. With my mind fixed on Your lotus feet, I am no longer disturbed by persons who blaspheme me, claiming that my activities are not purified. I do not mind their accusations, and I excuse them out of compassion, just as You exhibit compassion toward all living entities.

    I don't have problems with Lord Shiva being the Supreme, Vishnu is Shiva - Pls produce all passages of Bhagavatam then - where Lord Shiva is shown again and again worshipping and falling at the feet of Supreme Lord.

    Calling Vaishnava Aacharya's as wicked shows your ignorance. You worship Shiva and be satisfied. If a Vaishnava Aacharya praises Sri Hari - Let it be so. Who stops you from praising your Lord. Leave it like that

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  3. Dude your all perfect Lord shiva is the supreme
    i totally agree with you

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  4. Most of the Vaishnava Aacharya's are CHUTE'S except Tulasidas, this Vaishnava's havent learnt their lessons yet,even lord visnu will not accept them for what they are, they are incurred to the most unpardonable sin in the universe by speaking ill about lord shiva
    Shiva Mahapurana clearly states that the most un pardonable sin in the universe is accusing the Supreme lord shiva!!!!!!

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  5. TO

    Maruthi who posted his comment on December 31, 2009 12:10 PM


    How can your ignorance be called my ignorance ? i think you are a kind of guy inspired by a vaishnava acharya. You've quoted some verses from bhagavatam to show that shiva worshiped vishnu. Fine. So what ? does that make shiva inferior to vishnu ? You people should understand that shiva puranas glorify Shiva , similarly Vaishnava , shakteya, Soura,Ganapathya, and koumara puranas glorify Vishnu, shakti, Surya, Vinayaka and Subrahmanya respectively. everyone has equal right to follow his faith without hurting others. Just like abrahamic religions, the Vaishnavas instead of following their faith they preach hatred towards other faiths of hindu thought.

    You wrote" I don't have problems with Lord Shiva being the Supreme, Vishnu is Shiva - Pls produce all passages of Bhagavatam then - where Lord Shiva is shown again and again worshipping and falling at the feet of Supreme Lord."

    huh.. if you feel that shiva and vishnu are one and the same i've no issues with you. but a wicked vaishnava will not accept it. I don't have any problem with vaishnavas if they worship Vishnu. but in the name of worshiping vishnu they indulge in bashing of Lord shiva. They speak utter nonsense just like you did. The very objective of the post is to address them.

    Do you know what the vaishnava acharyas speak in their discourses about lord Shiva ? Just go through the blog http://isk-conning.blogspot.com .

    Some sample statements made by Vaishnavas in their speeches

    1) Shiva worshipers can not get liberation

    2 Shiva worshipers are ignorants

    3) Shiva is a cheater.

    4) All other faiths of hinduism except vaishnavism leads to darkness.

    5) the shiva worshipers can get material benifits but not spiritual.

    6) Worshiping lord shiva as 'supreme being' is an ultimate offense to lord Vishnu.

    If i call the Vaishnava Acharyas who made such statements as "Wicked", you are calling me as
    "ignorant". Perhaps you are a "Vaishnava".

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  6. Great Great Great blog and wonderful quotations.I am thankful to the persons involved in creation and maintenence of this great website/blog.Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are same.Where Lord Shiva has been shown as the one who respects Lord Vishnu,at the other hand Lord Vishnu and Lord Krishna has been shown to worship/tapasya of Lord Shiva and getting boons from Him,in the Shastras.That doesn't degrade neither Lord Shiva nor Lord Vishnu.There is no difference between them And this website is a very good and cool answer to the idiots and ISKCONites who propagate that Lord Vishnu is the 'only' supreme Lord.It's blatant lie.Lord Shiva is also supreme.As equal as Lord Vishnu.Your blog has proved with so many proofs from the shastras which prove invariably that Lord Shiva is the supreme Para Brahman.independent and omnipresent.Thanks thanks Thanks.

    Great Work.

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  7. i have explained the creation please look into it... a must before you get anywhere

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  8. From time immemorial these vaisnavas stood for criticizing Lord Shiva and his worshipers ,calling them various things,we've know Appaya Dikshitar who was a victim of it,basavanna a vira Saiva saint was a victim,Devara Dasimaya a Vacana poet was a victim,a lot more.... today the guy who wrote this blog and I and many more are the victims of Iskon ,i feel so bad today to Shaiva's who have completely disappeared ,you can hardly find people who have ardent devotion to Lord shiva Thanks to Vaisnavas and their wide spread disease of hatred towards Lord Siva and his worshippers.May Lord Vishnu take all these Vaisnava Acharyas and give them a place in Vaikunta Loka for what they did!!! before they could turn India into a Vaisnava country!!! anyway they've captured Buddhism calling Buddha an incarnation of Vishnu,what is left but Jain,Christianity and Islam which I am sure they will some how ,by Manipulating the ancient texts bring about this relationship and prove Vishnu as their God head wait and watch.

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  9. I would like to cite here that when adi shankara sung bhaja govindam the teacher of gramar was only an old man
    1.Nowere it is stated that he was a vaishnava.
    2. if we analise the bhaja govindam adi shankara told the man to worship Shri Kirshna who is govindam. if shiva was adi shankara's worshippale lord and the supreme God he would have said, Bhaja Shivam.
    3. the puranas where split in the 3 modes by none else than Veda Vyas so blaspheming him is apharada. this is confirmed in the padma purana.
    In the skanda purana (not a vaishnavite puran) it is said:
    siva sastre 'pi tad graahyana bhagavat sastra yogi yat iti.

    Statements in the Saivite Puranas should not be accepted unless they are corroborated by the Vaisnava Puranas. This is confirmed in the Saivite Puranas (Skanda Purana) where Lord Siva says to Kartikeya:
    "Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas."

    4. Lord Shiva is considered by vaishnavas as the greatest vaishnava nowhere do we blaspheme lord Shiva. Hanuman the embodiment of Shiva himself worshipped only shri Rama. and to this day is still doing it. if Shiva was the supreme God he would worship him. the same for arjuna who worshipped shiva but still considered Krishna the supreme personality of God.

    Skandha Purana
    "Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas." let the Saivites seek this in the skanda purana and open their eyes to the truth that lord shiva is very powerfull, the master of tamo guna. but is not the independed supreme God

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  10. I would like to cite here that when adi shankara sung bhaja govindam the teacher of gramar was only an old man
    1.Nowere it is stated that he was a vaishnava.
    2. if we analise the bhaja govindam adi shankara told the man to worship Shri Kirshna who is govindam. if shiva was adi shankara's worshippale lord and the supreme God he would have said, Bhaja Shivam.
    3. the puranas where split in the 3 modes by none else than Veda Vyas so blaspheming him is apharada. this is confirmed in the padma purana.
    In the skanda purana (not a vaishnavite puran) it is said:
    siva sastre 'pi tad graahyana bhagavat sastra yogi yat iti.

    Statements in the Saivite Puranas should not be accepted unless they are corroborated by the Vaisnava Puranas. This is confirmed in the Saivite Puranas (Skanda Purana) where Lord Siva says to Kartikeya:
    "Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas."

    4. Lord Shiva is considered by vaishnavas as the greatest vaishnava nowhere do we blaspheme lord Shiva. Hanuman the embodiment of Shiva himself worshipped only shri Rama. and to this day is still doing it. if Shiva was the supreme God he would worship him. the same for arjuna who worshipped shiva but still considered Krishna the supreme personality of God.

    Skandha Purana
    "Statements in the Saivite Puranas should be accepted only if they are confirmed in the Vaisnava Puranas." let the Saivites seek this in the skanda purana and open their eyes to the truth that lord shiva is very powerfull, the master of tamo guna. but is not the independed supreme God

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  11. Dear Mr Jefferson,

    I think it would be better to clarify you a few points.

    1) The old man using Grammar jugglery was surely a vaishnava. In spite of being in Kashi he never surrendered to Lord Vishwanatha and wasted all his life by doing grammar jugglery. So Adi Shankara was shocked to see his attitude and sang "Bhaja Govindam".

    2) For Adi Shankara it doesn't matter whether you say Bhaja Govindam or Bhaja Shiva. He said Govindam just because it would be attractive for materialist vaishnavas. Adi shankara established his Shiva Bhakti in Shivananda Lahari. In it he says :

    Sahasram varthanthe jagathi vibhutha kshudra phalada
    Na manye swapne vaa thadanusaranam that krutha phalam
    Hari brahmadeenamapi nikata bhaja masulabham
    Chiram yache shambho shiva thava padombhoja bhajanam

    "Thousands of Gods abound, Offering trifling gifts to them who pray,And never even in my dreams would I pray Or request gifts from them.
    To Shiva who is worshiped by Hari , Brahma and other Gods,But who is difficult even for them to near, I would beseech and beg always, For his lotus like feet."


    3) The Supreme nature of Shiva is established by Vedas themselves. I don't know shaiva puranas. I rely upon Vedas and Upanishads only. For the sake of vaishavas like you, i occasionally quote from Vaishnava texts to show superiority of Shiva. I believe in Shruti. I take Smriti so long as it subordinates to Shruti. Otherwise, i don't take them into consideration. Your quote from skanda purana itself is an answer to your question. The quote clearly says "Shaiva Shastras are also very much authentic for Yogis". It did not say that Shaiva texts are subbordinate to vaishnava texts. You have been fooled by Iskconites. The interpolated verses in Padma purana are not authentic. Only Shruti is authentic. By the way, Skanda Purana is NOT a Shaiva Purana. It is a mixture/ residual of all puranas. It contains various divisions each division deals with specific God like Vishnu,Shiva,Skanda..etc. Each division is under the control of respective religious sect. So all these sects interpolated their own verses. Skanda purna is accepted by Shaivates so long as it adhers to Shaiva puranas.


    4) In shaivsm, Vishnu is a greatest devotee of Lord Shiva. Nowhere do we blaspheme Lord Vishnu. Lord Rama is an emboiment of Vishnu, who worshiped Lord Shiva . To this day you can see the Shiva lingas established and worshiped by Rama. Hanuman was born by the grace of Lord Shiva. Both Hanuman and his master Rama worshiped Lord Shiva with firm devotion. Hanuman surrenderd to Rama who in turn himself surrendered to Lord Shiva.

    Arjuna and Krishna both surrendered to Lord Shiva. You need to read my other blog posts to know more about the devotion of Lord Krishna to his master supreme Lord Shiva.


    Let Vaishnavas realize that Lord Shiva is Supreme Brahman. There is no second to him. He himself is devotion-devotee-deity. The union of the triad is called Shiva. That's why shivamahimna Stotra says;

    trayī sāṃkhyaṃ yogaḥ paśupatimataṃ vaiṣṇavam iti
    prabhinne prasthāne param idam adaḥ pathyam iti ca
    rucīnāṃ vaicitryād ṛjukuṭilanānāpathajuṣāṃ
    nṛṇām eko gamyas tvam asi payasām arṇava iva Smst_7

    There are different paths of realization as enjoined by the three Vedas, Sānkhyā, Yoga and Pāśupata doctrine and Vaishnava śāstras . Persons following different paths straight or crooked according as they consider that this path is best or that one is proper due to the difference in temperaments, reach You alone O Shiva, just as rivers enter the ocean.

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  12. Dear
    Mr. Jefferson,
    Firstly one must realize who Sankara was and what his purpose of incarnation was!!
    Sankara was a “part” incarnation of Lord Siva, and why did he incarnate???
    To console and to uphold the truth...which the religious riots like Vaishnava and Buddhists were tearing apart, He took up the request of incarnating as Adi Sankara at the request of all the gods, as it was impossible even for Vishnu to uphold the Advaitha Vedanta
    Why Because Advaitha is synonym with Siva!! And Lord Siva knows he is one without the second, just like Lord Siva created Maha Kala Bhairava from his matted hair, also created Adi Shankara who was born to Aryamba. Having incarnated as Adi Shankara!! who sung Baja Govindam which was one of the many hymns composed by Shankara ,why did he compose so many hymns ?? because to create as many paths as possible ,,to inspire people, because he knew people like you will not realize the supreme Lord and he made easy by showing you the Vishnu way in Baja Govindam!!!!! And Hymns to other Dieties as well ,and all paths lead to Siva(Bliss) so baja govindam is the Vishnu path to get to Bliss (Siva) !! Now if I ask you why didn’t Sankara say Narayanoham or Vishnoham in the Nirvana astakam does it make sense?????
    Sankara said the final verse that a fully realized soul says, at the time he was searching for a guru in the Himalayas, even before he started his hymn compositions, Sankara knew everything is Siva which is why he said Sivoham (I am Siva) and not Narayanoham or Vishnoham !!
    Remember to Adi Sankara the Almighty is Parameswara ,even if Sankara calls Vishnu the Brahman ,Vishnu’s god is Siva ,let Vishnu be the Supreme but his Lord is Siva why ??? Read and comprehend Sivanandalahari, Soundarya Lahari, and Vishwanathaastakam!! And many more Hymns of Sankara!! You cannot expect Sankara to be Partial, knowing the supreme to be Siva, he still sung hymns to Vishnu and others why?? Because the greatness of Vishnu or other gods is due to Siva only!!Read and understand Kena Upanishad part 3!!!

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  13. @Vaishnavas,

    Please stick to your vishnu bhakti. Don't talk nonsense on lord Shiva!

    Lord Dattatreya (A Vishnu incarnation) said:

    "IndraJaalamidam Sarvam Yatha Marumareechika
    Akanditam Anaakaaram Vartate kevalah Sivah !!"

    means,
    This entire universe is illusion as like as a mirage in a desert.
    Beyond all differences, beyond all forms, truly, there is only Shiva alone!!

    So, there is None other than Shiva. Whichever God whom you see having 4 hands carrying discus, conch etc and you clal him narayana is none other than Shiva's expansions (one of the Pancha Brahma form).
    Mahabharata clearly calls it out saying (bheeshma says), "Bhava assumes the forms of Brahma and Vishnu and chief of the celestials and Rudras".
    It also says, "if Rudra be gratified with someone, he can confer upon one the status of Brahma and Vishnu with all the deities present under him".

    The Fact is:- Vishnu is as like a position as Indra. Only Shiva is the lord, supreme Brahman. he assumes the form of Vishnu for preservation. But finally everone merges back in him at the time of Supre-cosmic dissolution (not even Hari stays, he too merges back in Shiva).

    Can't you guys peacefully worship the Vishnu form of Shiva if that is your favourite? Why do you want the supremacy of Vishnu and then worship him? Kraishnavite says krishna is superior than Vishnu, and Shiva. Ramavat Sampradaya follower says Rama is superior than Vishnu, krishna and Shiva. What is this nonsence? How can Vishnu's incarnatiosn become superior than Vishnu himself (leave about Shiva). This is the disease which your cults are spreading. Worship your lord with faith but don't pass on false propaganda about Shiva/Vishnu.
    Ultimately Advaita is the FINAL truth it's the AXIOM!!...You are worshipping Shiva only (thru Vishnu).

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